Thermistor documenation wrong, or?

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By dintid 20 March 2017 15:15

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Been working on configuring my Duet WiFi board.

While doing so, I am setting up thermistor for my genuine E3Dv6 hotend.

In the Duet documentation source1, it reads:

The Semitec 104GT-2 thermistor supplied with the E3Dv6 hot end has a quoted B value of 4267, but the actual value over 25C to 220C is 4388. For greater accuracy, use a C parameter as well.

I dug some for more information on the E3D site, where they even have a section to setup on RepRapFirmware.
There are 2 items of interest here, where the first is the B Value:

For firmware versions 1.16 and earlier, set the B parameter (beta value) to 4388. This value gives better accuracy at typical printing temperatures in the range 190 to 250C than the B value of 4267 quoted in the datasheet......... For firmware versions 1.17 and later, set the B parameter to 4725

It actually means E3D is telling us the same thing: to use 4388 as B... but only for old firmware. E3D says we should set B at 4725 when using new firmware
.. does it mean Duets documentation on this is no longer valid?

Second thing is C and the main thing for me to post:

For firmware versions 1.17 and later, set the B parameter to 4725 and the C parameter to 7.06e-8.

I have tried it and C7.05e-8 does not result in an error, but is it right, or?

edited to correct a typo, which DC42 pointed out.

Last edited by dintid (27 March 2017 15:08)


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By dc42 20 March 2017 16:11

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That section of the E3D wiki is correct. I wrote it. Which Duet documentation page is out of date?

The parameter C7.06e-8 (with the decimal point, which you left out) is correct.


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By adavidm 24 March 2017 22:35

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David,

I was looking at this today. I think https://duet3d.com/wiki/Connecting_thermistors is the page in question. It mentions the 4388 value but doesn't mention the 1.17 firmware variation that I can see.

Out of interest, what sort of temp difference would you expect from B4388 vs B4725 C7.06e-8? Is it significant?

David

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By dintid 27 March 2017 15:10

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adavidm wrote

David,

I was looking at this today. I think https://duet3d.com/wiki/Connecting_thermistors is the page in question. It mentions the 4388 value but doesn't mention the 1.17 firmware variation that I can see.

Out of interest, what sort of temp difference would you expect from B4388 vs B4725 C7.06e-8? Is it significant?

David

That was sort of what I was asking (first part)

dc42 wrote

That section of the E3D wiki is correct. I wrote it. Which Duet documentation page is out of date?

The parameter C7.06e-8 (with the decimal point, which you left out) is correct.

Ok, so it's a thing with the e-8? just looked so odd!


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By dc42 27 March 2017 17:44

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You can write C0.0000000706 instead but beware of using the wrong number of zeros.

Thanks for the link to the out-of-date page, which I have now corrected.

The improvement in accuracy is when you use the C parameter is zero at around 220C and AFAIR a few degrees at 300C and 140C.


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By deckingman 27 March 2017 17:45

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dintid wrote

..............Ok, so it's a thing with the e-8? just looked so odd!

Scientific notation. It's another way of saying "times ten to the power of minus eight".


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By dintid 29 March 2017 13:20

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dc42 wrote

You can write C0.0000000706 instead but beware of using the wrong number of zeros.

Thanks for the link to the out-of-date page, which I have now corrected.

The improvement in accuracy is when you use the C parameter is zero at around 220C and AFAIR a few degrees at 300C and 140C.

Glad to be able to finally help some and not just ask questions 😁
I'd advice to write that the C7.06e-8 is not a typo and maybe put in what it means in your wiki page 😁


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By T3P3Tony 29 March 2017 17:47

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Cheers dintid I have added a quick line to the wiki page:

https://duet3d.com/wiki/Connecting_ther … Connecting


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